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	<description>Everything you need to know about the granite/Radon/radiation issues.  For more info, go to forum.solidsurfacealliance.org</description>
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		<title>By: jonfleck88</title>
		<link>http://solidsurfacealliance.org/blog/2008/06/11/news-on-the-granite-radiation-testing-effort/comment-page-1/#comment-117</link>
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		<description>Being a counter top contractor for years now I can also add that solid surface counter tops are not only safer but more cost efficient. Also, solid surface counter tops are much more machinable. If you want to see some of my &lt;a href=&quot;http://rockhillcountertops.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;solid surface work you can check out my website.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a counter top contractor for years now I can also add that solid surface counter tops are not only safer but more cost efficient. Also, solid surface counter tops are much more machinable. If you want to see some of my <a href="http://rockhillcountertops.com/" rel="nofollow">solid surface work you can check out my website.</a></p>
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		<title>By: High Radon and Radiation from some granite counters - InspectionNews - Home Inspection</title>
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		<dc:creator>High Radon and Radiation from some granite counters - InspectionNews - Home Inspection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Blog › Login  Here is a recent post reply:  W.J. Llope said, June 11, 2008 at 8:06 am  Hi &#8211; thanks for the update. but there’s a couple of things here that you might want to correct…. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,
I&#039;ll send this to you as well, but here is the law relied upon by the EPA in that comment.  It appears to deal with NORM mateials, uranium processing, so it could be TENORM, and covers cleanup standards.

PART 192--HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION STANDARDS FOR URANIUM AND THORIUM MILL TAILINGS--Table of Contents
 
Subpart B--Standards for Cleanup of Land and Buildings Contaminated with 
  Residual Radioactive Materials from Inactive Uranium Processing Sites

    Remedial actions shall be conducted so as to provide reasonable 
assurance that, as a result of residual radioactive materials from any 
designated processing site:
    (a) The concentration of radium-226 in land averaged over any area 
of 100 square meters shall not exceed the background level by more than-
-
    (1) 5 pCi/g, averaged over the first 15 cm of soil below the 
surface, and
    (2) 15 pCi/g, averaged over 15 cm thick layers of soil more than 15 
cm below the surface.
    (b) In any occupied or habitable building--
    (1) The objective of remedial action shall be, and reasonable effort 
shall be made to achieve, an annual average (or equivalent) radon decay 
product concentration (including background) not to exceed 0.02 WL. In 
any case, the radon decay product concentration (including background) 
shall not exceed 0.03 WL, and
    (2) The level of gamma radiation shall not exceed the background 
level by more than 20 microroentgens per hour.

Here is the entire document

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/julqtr/40cfr192.12.htm

and the source of the entire set of law

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_02/40cfr192_02.html

Were this used in the granite industry, one fifth to one sixth of the stones would have to be pulled from the market.  I have seen the ICRP comments on &quot;Optimization of Radiological Protection&quot; where some wonder why use different standards on NORM, TENORM, and other nuclear industry products.

Al</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,<br />
I&#8217;ll send this to you as well, but here is the law relied upon by the EPA in that comment.  It appears to deal with NORM mateials, uranium processing, so it could be TENORM, and covers cleanup standards.</p>
<p>PART 192&#8211;HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION STANDARDS FOR URANIUM AND THORIUM MILL TAILINGS&#8211;Table of Contents</p>
<p>Subpart B&#8211;Standards for Cleanup of Land and Buildings Contaminated with<br />
  Residual Radioactive Materials from Inactive Uranium Processing Sites</p>
<p>    Remedial actions shall be conducted so as to provide reasonable<br />
assurance that, as a result of residual radioactive materials from any<br />
designated processing site:<br />
    (a) The concentration of radium-226 in land averaged over any area<br />
of 100 square meters shall not exceed the background level by more than-<br />
-<br />
    (1) 5 pCi/g, averaged over the first 15 cm of soil below the<br />
surface, and<br />
    (2) 15 pCi/g, averaged over 15 cm thick layers of soil more than 15<br />
cm below the surface.<br />
    (b) In any occupied or habitable building&#8211;<br />
    (1) The objective of remedial action shall be, and reasonable effort<br />
shall be made to achieve, an annual average (or equivalent) radon decay<br />
product concentration (including background) not to exceed 0.02 WL. In<br />
any case, the radon decay product concentration (including background)<br />
shall not exceed 0.03 WL, and<br />
    (2) The level of gamma radiation shall not exceed the background<br />
level by more than 20 microroentgens per hour.</p>
<p>Here is the entire document</p>
<p><a href="http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/julqtr/40cfr192.12.htm" rel="nofollow">http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/julqtr/40cfr192.12.htm</a></p>
<p>and the source of the entire set of law</p>
<p><a href="http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_02/40cfr192_02.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_02/40cfr192_02.html</a></p>
<p>Were this used in the granite industry, one fifth to one sixth of the stones would have to be pulled from the market.  I have seen the ICRP comments on &#8220;Optimization of Radiological Protection&#8221; where some wonder why use different standards on NORM, TENORM, and other nuclear industry products.</p>
<p>Al</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill,

Thanks for the comments and info.  Great to see some movement on the issues.

True, Dr. Hans is way off on his estimate of where the radiation is coming from according to your data and the info from the Houston granite countertop.  By a factor of hundreds!   And this guy is a Geologist serving the natural stone industry?  Looks like he tells em what they want to hear.

â€śTwenty microRems per hour is written as 20uR/hr. â€ť

When learning the terminology and units of this field, it took a while to get the differences between the units straight.  After doing so, I ran across several experts that said the units could be used interchangably for our purposes, crudely at least, for Gamma in dry air or Alpha for external exposure.  To keep the confusion down to readers not used to the units, I use millirem instead of the more correct milliroentgen.

Here is one of the references to this practice

&quot;Note: The units of R, rad, and rem can sometimes be acceptably interchanged. For instance, for gamma radiation, and exposure of 1 R causes an absorbed dose in a person of about 1 rad, which results in a dose equivalent of 1 rem. This is due to the basis for the definitions of the units and the relative biological effectiveness of gamma radiation. An absorbed dose of 1 rad from fast neutrons, however would result in a dose equivalent of about 10 rem. &quot;

Since we tend to concentrate on measuring Gamma emitted from the granite countertop slabs, I use the terms interchangably to prevent further confusing newcomers to the discussion.

But, you are 100% correct in pointing out the difference.  Thanks.

We have the references for the quote on EPA and some state agencies using 20 uR/hr as a remediation level for rooms, homes, or buildings.  I will get them to you ASAP.

Thanks again, welcome to the discusssion.  Glad to have an expert on board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments and info.  Great to see some movement on the issues.</p>
<p>True, Dr. Hans is way off on his estimate of where the radiation is coming from according to your data and the info from the Houston granite countertop.  By a factor of hundreds!   And this guy is a Geologist serving the natural stone industry?  Looks like he tells em what they want to hear.</p>
<p>â€śTwenty microRems per hour is written as 20uR/hr. â€ť</p>
<p>When learning the terminology and units of this field, it took a while to get the differences between the units straight.  After doing so, I ran across several experts that said the units could be used interchangably for our purposes, crudely at least, for Gamma in dry air or Alpha for external exposure.  To keep the confusion down to readers not used to the units, I use millirem instead of the more correct milliroentgen.</p>
<p>Here is one of the references to this practice</p>
<p>&#8220;Note: The units of R, rad, and rem can sometimes be acceptably interchanged. For instance, for gamma radiation, and exposure of 1 R causes an absorbed dose in a person of about 1 rad, which results in a dose equivalent of 1 rem. This is due to the basis for the definitions of the units and the relative biological effectiveness of gamma radiation. An absorbed dose of 1 rad from fast neutrons, however would result in a dose equivalent of about 10 rem. &#8221;</p>
<p>Since we tend to concentrate on measuring Gamma emitted from the granite countertop slabs, I use the terms interchangably to prevent further confusing newcomers to the discussion.</p>
<p>But, you are 100% correct in pointing out the difference.  Thanks.</p>
<p>We have the references for the quote on EPA and some state agencies using 20 uR/hr as a remediation level for rooms, homes, or buildings.  I will get them to you ASAP.</p>
<p>Thanks again, welcome to the discusssion.  Glad to have an expert on board.</p>
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		<title>By: W.J. Llope</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - 
thanks for the update. but there&#039;s a couple of things here that you might want to correct....

&quot;Dr. Hans Hensen claims that most of the radiation in granite countertops comes from Potassium 40 ( K 40), in fact most of the radiation comes from Radon and Thorium.&quot;

from the stones i&#039;ve looked at the Uranium ore is the major player. i see less than
a 1% contribution from 40-K. the longer-lived Radon (the one people mean 
they say &quot;radon&quot;, half life ~4 days) is in the 238-U series. the 232-Th series also produces a &quot;radon&quot; called &quot;thoron&quot; but that guy has a very short half-life.

&quot;So there it is, even the EPA says that the radiation risks are unknownâ€¦â€¦ &quot;

not a mistake in your post - just wanted to mention that i intend to change
this. i have now ~40 samples from 3 stone yards and several private
individuals that i will investigate with my NaI(Th) spectrometer. 
i intend to publish. Journal of Environmental Radioactivity or something
like that. 

&quot;Twenty microRems per hour is written as 20uR/hr. &quot;

20 uR/hr is 20 micro-Roentgens per hour, not 20 micro-rem/hr.

the latter (rem) is the unit of absorbed dose. it is the product of the dose
(in Roentgens) and a &quot;quality factor&quot;. this quality factor accounts for
the different amount of damage (&quot;biological efficiency&quot;) that different particles can do to human tissue.
the quality factor for gammas and betas is one, and it&#039;s 20 for alphas.

in the sense that *external* alpha radiation generally poses little risk 
(typical 1-2 MeV alphas have a range of only 1-2&quot; in air, and less than
the thickness of a single piece of paper, and they
are absorbed in the dead-layer of skin called the epidermis) then it&#039;s not
heinous to mix mR and mrem. but your geiger counters are measuring
mR, not mrem, because they do not and cannot know what the particles 
are. 

my gamma spectrometer does though! also, your geiger counters are
generally underestimating the true fluence, especially for energies above
1 MeV, due to their known (in)efficiency as a function of the particle and
energy. this too is something that i can correct for with my NaI setup
to get the &quot;true&quot; fluence...

BTW the use of the unit &quot;rem&quot; is not strongly discouraged by NIST, although
when i undergo my yearly radiation retraining as part of my day job, the
unit mrem is still used. and it is very common elsewhere. 

&quot;Without going into a lot of detail on this topic, EPA and some State agencies have used an exposure of 20 microR/hour as a remediation action level for entire rooms, homes or buildings.&quot;

i&#039;d love to have references for that comment!

cheers,
       bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211;<br />
thanks for the update. but there&#8217;s a couple of things here that you might want to correct&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dr. Hans Hensen claims that most of the radiation in granite countertops comes from Potassium 40 ( K 40), in fact most of the radiation comes from Radon and Thorium.&#8221;</p>
<p>from the stones i&#8217;ve looked at the Uranium ore is the major player. i see less than<br />
a 1% contribution from 40-K. the longer-lived Radon (the one people mean<br />
they say &#8220;radon&#8221;, half life ~4 days) is in the 238-U series. the 232-Th series also produces a &#8220;radon&#8221; called &#8220;thoron&#8221; but that guy has a very short half-life.</p>
<p>&#8220;So there it is, even the EPA says that the radiation risks are unknownâ€¦â€¦ &#8221;</p>
<p>not a mistake in your post &#8211; just wanted to mention that i intend to change<br />
this. i have now ~40 samples from 3 stone yards and several private<br />
individuals that i will investigate with my NaI(Th) spectrometer.<br />
i intend to publish. Journal of Environmental Radioactivity or something<br />
like that. </p>
<p>&#8220;Twenty microRems per hour is written as 20uR/hr. &#8221;</p>
<p>20 uR/hr is 20 micro-Roentgens per hour, not 20 micro-rem/hr.</p>
<p>the latter (rem) is the unit of absorbed dose. it is the product of the dose<br />
(in Roentgens) and a &#8220;quality factor&#8221;. this quality factor accounts for<br />
the different amount of damage (&#8221;biological efficiency&#8221;) that different particles can do to human tissue.<br />
the quality factor for gammas and betas is one, and it&#8217;s 20 for alphas.</p>
<p>in the sense that *external* alpha radiation generally poses little risk<br />
(typical 1-2 MeV alphas have a range of only 1-2&#8243; in air, and less than<br />
the thickness of a single piece of paper, and they<br />
are absorbed in the dead-layer of skin called the epidermis) then it&#8217;s not<br />
heinous to mix mR and mrem. but your geiger counters are measuring<br />
mR, not mrem, because they do not and cannot know what the particles<br />
are. </p>
<p>my gamma spectrometer does though! also, your geiger counters are<br />
generally underestimating the true fluence, especially for energies above<br />
1 MeV, due to their known (in)efficiency as a function of the particle and<br />
energy. this too is something that i can correct for with my NaI setup<br />
to get the &#8220;true&#8221; fluence&#8230;</p>
<p>BTW the use of the unit &#8220;rem&#8221; is not strongly discouraged by NIST, although<br />
when i undergo my yearly radiation retraining as part of my day job, the<br />
unit mrem is still used. and it is very common elsewhere. </p>
<p>&#8220;Without going into a lot of detail on this topic, EPA and some State agencies have used an exposure of 20 microR/hour as a remediation action level for entire rooms, homes or buildings.&#8221;</p>
<p>i&#8217;d love to have references for that comment!</p>
<p>cheers,<br />
       bill</p>
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